December 5, 2024

20 thoughts on “The Myth of Democratic Super Majority.

  1. I agree with your premise that the amount of time the president has had a super-majority is much shorter than his critics claim. But you need to get your facts straight. First, Al Franken was sworn in on July 7th, not July 14th. That adds on another 7 days.
    Second, Scott Brown was sworn in on Feb 4th, not in January.
    So the days of super majority go like this:
    July 2009 — 19 days
    Aug 2009 — 5 days (Kennedy was still alive, but really not voting, so don’t know if this should be counted.)
    Sep 2009 — 3 days (Working days after Kirk was sworn in on 9/25)
    Oct 2009 — 7 days total in session in Oct.
    Nov 2009 — 0 days -In recess all month
    Dec 2009 — 0 days – in recess all month
    Jan 2010 — 10 days not in recess
    Feb 2010 – 3 days before swearing in of Scott Brown

    That makes 47 days of effective super-majority, and even then there are certain Senators who are “Democratic” but can’t be counted on to vote with the Democrats, like Liebermann.

    But, if we are going to make arguments of this type, we must have the actually real facts to back it up and not exaggerate, like the Right Wing is doing.
    Here is the Senate calendars for 2009 and 2010
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2009_calendar.pdf
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2010_calendar.pdf

  2. Hi Anna, thanks for the corrections. I’ve edited your post so it says 47 days as you wanted.

    I did a little checking and Kennedy cast his last vote in April, 2009 and left Washington for good sometime around that time. He didn’t participate in the Health Care debate that summer, didn’t vote on Sotomayor’s confirmation on Aug 6th. I doubt he could have voted anytime after about the first of July so that’s probably cuts at least 10 days out of the total.

    I’ll do some more checking when I have time and rework the post to take into account your numbers.

  3. Thanks elfish. If Kennedy wasn’t able to vote during July and August, then that means that even with Al Franken sworn in, there was not a filibuster-proof majority in the senate during those months. That would take 24 days off the count and bring the actual filibuster-proof days down to 23. The Republicans act like Obama has had 2 YEARS of super majority congress. How can we get the word out to voters about this. I wrote a letter to the Oregonian (where I live) and it was not published because it was not current news. There has got to be a way to counter the lies of the right with actual facts.

  4. Hi Anna, I’ve finally fixed the dates and times in the article to reflect your numbers. I had different sources for the Senate recess days, but I think your numbers are more accurate so I used your links.

    I not sure how to get the information out. I post this information in various places on the internet, usually on Huffington Post and sometimes it does get passed around to different web pages. I’ve seen one of my posts on Huffington travel to dozens of web pages and forums. You can never predict who will see your posts and how far they may travel on the internet.

    Part of the reason I started this web site was to get this information out. I have lots of other, similar research that I’ve done, but I haven’t had the time to convert it into articles and post it. I’m hoping to more time later this year.

    Thanks very much for your data and input. It was very helpful!!

  5. I just stumbled upon this article after searching the web for a good, quick summary of the timeline, in order to refute an assertion of this myth by someone on Facebook. The lie has been resurrected, because Mitt Romney himself has been repeating it.

    Something I would add to your article, though, is the fact that even during the 24 (or 47) days one might count has Democrats having a supermajority, in reality they never had more than 58 seats. Getting to 60 votes required the cooperation of the two Independents, Sanders and Lieberman. While Sanders was a pretty reliable ally of Democrats, Lieberman was nursing a grudge against the party for having been shunned as the Democratic nominee in his home state of Connecticut in favor of a more liberal Democrat, forcing him to run as an independent. Thus, often as not, he was supporting GOP filibusters during that period. So, technically speaking, there never really was a true supermajority.

    1. Excellent point. Lieberman made it clear he wouldn’t support any sort of single payer plan and would join the Republican filibuster if the Democrats put forward a single payer plan.

  6. Thanks… found you when googling “what is supermajority in congress” after reading dismaying comments, post-debate… I certainly did not remember any lengthy Dem control during the past 4 years… Will post this on my FB page…

  7. I’m usually to running a blog and i actually admire your content. The article has really peaks my interest. I’m going to bookmark your website and preserve checking for brand spanking new information.

  8. The Democrats never had any intention of changing the status quo. They campaigned on change, and the only thing that changed was what they did after they got elected.

    If they had wanted change, they could easily have had legislation ready by September of 2009. But they didn’t want change.

    OBAMA TO SINGLE PAYER ADVOCATES: DROP DEAD
    “President Obama’s White House made crystal clear this week: a Canadian-style, Medicare-for-all, single payer health insurance system is off the table.” —-Single Payer Action, March 3, 2009
    http://www.singlepayeraction.org/2009/03/03/hello-world/

  9. Hello there! This article couldn’t be written much better!
    Going through this article reminds me of my previous roommate!
    He continually kept preaching about this. I most certainly
    will forward this post to him. Pretty sure he’ll have a great read.
    I appreciate you for sharing!

  10. And during those 60 days, the Dems had Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson barely on board. There were only three times Dems+Inds actually used 60 votes on a party line: to overcome cloture and pass the ACA on Dec 23 and 24th, 2009.

  11. When my husband and I have political discussions he tends to pull this out when sighting the republicans constant stonewalling of all attempts at bipartisan legislation. Thank you for giving me some facts to back up an argument I could never make.

  12. Wow, nice try but your facts are not accurate. Senate rule XXII requires three-fifths of the Senators duly sworn and chosen (normally 60 when there 100 Senators duly sworn and chosen but when the count is 99 Senators the 3/5 number drops to 59)

    By your argument when only 99 and then 98 Senators were duly sworn and chosen the three-fifths required to create a filibuster proof majority then becomes 59.

    From January – July 7, 2009 Minnesota only had one Senator seated leaving the county at 59-40 in favor of Democrats – a three-fifths majority.

    From July 7, 2009 until Scott Brown was sworn in there was still a three-fifths majority to override any Republican filibuster.

    I am also unclear what “damage” Republicans created in six years. They never had a filibuster proof majority. Therefore, any “damage” was bi-partisan.

    1. Your math is defective. Three-fifths of 99 is not 59. It is 59.4. There is no provision in the constitution for rounding down. The rule says:

      “..by a three/fifths affirmative vote of the Senators duly chosen and sworn..”

      That means that it must be 3/5. Fifty nine would only be 2.97 / 5ths.

      http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/1986/how-many-votes-is-a-senate-supermajority-when-there-are-vacancies

      This is affirmed by the CBO:

      “Thus, if there is no more than one vacancy, 60 Senators must vote to invoke cloture.”

      In other words, if there is one vacancy, you still need 60 votes to over come a filibuster.

      Page: 12
      https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL30360.pdf

      The same language appears over and over again in Senate documents;

      Page 128:
      https://books.google.com/books?id=LbtebozRW_sC&printsec=frontcover

  13. It still is a super majority, a lot of legislation can be passed in 60 days, look back at the historic 104th Congress, they passed the whole Contact with America in 100 days, 10 bills that changed the country and sparked the second half of 1990’s, Bill Clinton wisely signed all 10 bills into law, Bill Clinton reached across the isle to try and work with Newt Gingrich as R. Reagan did with Tip O’ Neil. This is no excuse, Obama had no leadership qualities, he trusted Pelosi and Reid, Obama and the democrats blew it. They had a chance to really change things and they blew it. They had a real opportunity in those 60 days, they could have passed or repealed any legislation they wanted without any GOP opposition. 60 days is a long time if you have you chit together, if I remember correctly the House voted in their vacation right away, it would have worked out perfectly. the democrats controlled all 3 Houses and could have done more, that “only 60 days” is no excuse, then you do all you can in those 60 days. Diane Fienstein did not introduce any assault weapon legislation. It was such bad leadership and a do nothing Senate that Obama and the democrats went from total and complete control to losing both Houses back to the Republicans in only six short years and believe me, that is bad. Bush set the bar low, Obama managed to crawl under that bar,

    1. The facts don’t support your contention.

      1. Your facts are all wrong about the Contract with America. The Republicans said they’d pass it 100 day but they didn’t. It took much longer to pass than 100 days and not all the provisions actually passed.

      For example, “The Fiscal Responsibility Act,” which was part of the Contract, was originally brought up for a vote in January of 1995, when it was rejected. It wasn’t passed until April of 1996 and even then, it was modified and had to be combined with another bill (S.4) to pass. In other words, it took more than 450 days to pass.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America#The_Fiscal_Responsibility_Act

      Likewise, the “Personal Responsibility Act” passed the house in March of 1995, but didn’t pass the Senate until September of 1995. That’s 150 days. Even then, it was vetoed by Clinton. Only in 1996 did a substantially changed version pass and get signed into law.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

      Another part of the act, HR 450 never passed the Senate.

      Other bills in the Contract with American were substantially modified by the Democrats before they could pass the congress.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

      2. It is not how many days you have a super majority; it is how many contiguous days you have a super majority. A bill can be blocked anywhere along the path to passages. In order to pass legislation using a super majority, the super majority must last long enough to make it through committees, over come all procedural issues and deal with filibusters.

      The longest sequence of super majority was 45 days. Forty five days is less than half the 100 days you were talking about. Those forty five days came in the fall, right in the middle of budget process when there isn’t time introduce new legislation.

      3. When Obama came into office, the Republicans swore they wouldn’t let any of his legislation pass. They swore they’d filibuster every piece of legislation that Obama brought forward. That means that Obama’s legislation faced enormous obstacles that no president ever faced before. Newt Gingrich was willing to work on legislation the both he and Clinton agreed upon. The Republicans said the were unwilling to work with Obama, even on legislation they agreed upon. That’s because they were determined to make him a one-term president by depriving him of any legislative accomplishment.

      http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers
      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
      http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/republicans-legislation-obama-dccc-event-106481

      4. As a result, the Republicans required that every bill, even uncontroversial bills, would be filibustered and would require a super majority to pass. Obama was filibustered twice as much as any other president that came before. The Republicans didn’t do that with Clinton.

      Kennedy/Johnson = 2.6
      Nixon/Ford = 14.6
      Carter = 13.2
      Reagan = 25.6
      Bush = 23.0
      Clinton = 35.2
      Bush = 37.1
      Obama = = 68.8

      5. Bottom line: The Republican talking point that my post was responding to was that “the Democrats had two years of super majority to pass anything they wanted.” Sixty days is no where near two years, and 45 days is even less. And, as I’ve proved, 100 days is not enough to pass legislation, no matter how determined you are or how cooperative the opposition is.

  14. You are correct in saying that the 2009 Senate Democrat super majority was not enough time to ‘pass anything they wanted’. But it was enough time to pass the unpopular ACA with 60 Dem votes, directly leading to Republican control of both chambers through at least 2018 and ultimately contributing to the election of Donald Trump.

    1. That doesn’t have anything to do with the point I’m making.

      Again, the Republicans continue to say that everything that happened after Obama was elected can be blamed on the Democrats. The problem is that the Republicans blocked every attempt to fix problems by filibustering virtually everything.

      For example, the Republicans blame Obama for the debt going up after he was elected. Except that all the increased debt was caused by two new wars, two new medicare programs and two new tax cuts, none of which was paid for by budget cuts or increased revenue. Those programs added $1.6 trillion a year in deficit spending. As proof of this, in 2001, when Clinton left office we had a budget surplus of $235 billion. Three years later, we had an $800 deficit. The last budget Bush submitted to congress had a $1.4 trillion deficit.

      The Democrats were never able to change those programs because Republicans filibustered every attempt to fix the problem. When the Democrats tried to repeal some of that spending or pay for it was new revenue or spending cuts, the Republicans filibustered. They also filibustered bills to block corporations from sending jobs overseas, exactly the kind of thing Trump wants to do. For example:

      1. SENATE BILL 3816 PROVIDES INCENTIVES FOR COMPANIES TO KEEP JOBS HERE. It it eliminates payroll taxes for 24 months for every job kept or moved to the United States.

      2. ELIMINATES SUBSIDIES AND TAX BENEFITS FOR SENDING JOBS OVERSEAS. It ends subsidies for closing US factories, eliminates subsidies for sending jobs overseas and eliminates tax deductions for moving jobs overseas. It also eliminates tax deferrals for income earned by overseas subsidiaries.

      3. FILIBUSTERED BY REPUBLICANS. On Sept 28th, 2010 the Republicans filibustered the bill and killed it.

      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.3816:
      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.3816
      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:SN03816:@@@X

      They even filibustered their own bills to prevent Obama from getting credit for doing something good.

      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/mcconnell-filibusters-his-own-bill-to-lift-debt-ceiling

      Whenever I bring up these points, Republicans always say that the Democrats had a super majority so they could have passed anything they want. Thirty five days was not enough to pass anything they want.

      The Trump didn’t win the election because of the unpopularity of the ACA. Clinton won exactly the same percentage of white, working-class voters as Obama did. She won more blacks than any other Democratic presidential candidate except for Obama, which logical because he was the first black president.

      http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

      Trump also got a smaller share of the Hispanic vote than McCain, Bush in 2000 and 2008. Trump got smaller share of the Asian vote than any other president.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-polarization-analysis-idUSKBN13I10B?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

      In fact, Trump got 600,000 fewer total votes than Romney, 2 million votes less than Bush in 2004. He only got slightly more than McCain did and that was 8 years ago, when the population was smaller.

      http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

      Trump won because millennials voted for Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. In the 2012 election Stein and Johnson got a very small percentage of the vote in battle ground states:

      Florida – Johnson = 0.5%, Stein = 0.1%
      Pennsylvania – Johnson = 0.9%, Stein = 0.4%
      Wisconsin – Johnson = 0.7%, Stein = 0.3%
      Michigan – Johnson = 0.2%, Stein = 0.5%

      In 2016, Stein and Johnson got 433% more votes than 2012:

      Florida – Johnson = 2.0%, Stein = 0.7%
      Pennsylvania – Johnson = 2.0%, Stein = 0.9%
      Wisconsin – Johnson = 4.0%, Stein = 1.0%
      Michigan – Johnson = 4.0%, Stein = 1.0%

      If Hillary had gotten roughly half of the Johnson and Stein vote, she have gotten an additional 86 electoral votes and then election. Even so, she still got 2.5 million more votes than Trump and they haven’t finished counting.

      As to the ACA, whether it was popular or not, according to the CBO, the ACA saves $208 billion of government spending over 10 years. If and when the Republicans repeal it, billions more dollars will be added to the debt.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *